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My argument isn't that the U.S. was better before Obama. Of course, if you compare any president to Bush you'll see positives. I'm not saying Obama hasn't done good things. I'm saying Obama is a fucking snake who has sold the United States to the highest bidders.

On the contrary, the practice of selling to the highest (or lowest in the case of labor) bidder has been around, literally, hundreds of years. That isn't Obama, that is capitalism. If you have an issue with that then I suggest you join a socialist movement, rather than railing at someone who worked for eight years, against an actively hostile and non cooperative, GOP controlled, senate, to push through legislation. Of course, nobody would expect the GOP to agree with everything that Obama was doing, discussion (and crucially, resolution) is the essence of politics, however the GOP filibustered things that even they, ideologically, agreed with - just to slow the process down, just to make it harder for the man to affect changes to the established order.

 

Obama is the first president to be denied a hearing on his budget.

Obama is the first president to be denied a hearing on his supreme court nominee.

Obama is the first president to show his birth certificate.

Obama is the first president to face over 500 filibusters by the opposition. 

 

Also, I'm not just comparing Obama to Bush. Obama is bested only by Bill Clinton, and Regan. Carter is close behind, which is a wonder given the mess he inherited after Nixon. They are trailed by bush snr and jnr who perform significantly worse. In all of these presidents, none faced the problems from within the legislature that Obama did, yet he still boasts the third strongest economic data in the last 60 years and after the worst financial disaster since the great depression. All this boils down to one simple fact; the GOP prevented Obama from making america even stronger and more equal. They prevented progress. By preventing progress, they created a climate in which a man like trump could take advantage of the frustrations they had created in the nation. Trump is the pawn of establishment GOP. He is their creation. You can see it in their endorsements, financial and verbal, you can see it in their actions over the past eight years. If you vote trump, you won't be getting a "great liberator", you will be getting the GOP establishment's Frankenstein monster; Egotistical, authoritarian and backward. 



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If if if if if if if if if Obama settling a deal to Iran for 1.7 billion is just Capitalism, then he's a fucking terrible capitalist who squanders our taxpayers dollars. If Trump had paid his federal taxes they'd squander that too lmfao.

 

Not saying our senate isn't bought either, because they fuckin are. I'm saying Trump stands a better chance of sitting them down and negotiating deals than anyone else has.



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If if if if if if if if if Obama settling a deal to Iran for 1.7 billion is just Capitalism, then he's a fucking terrible capitalist who squanders our taxpayers dollars. If Trump had paid his federal taxes they'd squander that too lmfao.

 

Not saying our senate isn't bought either, because they fuckin are. I'm saying Trump stands a better chance of sitting them down and negotiating deals than anyone else has.

Context is everything. Simply stating that "obama gives 1.7b$ to iran" is pretty shit. However, the money was the result of a settlement, in the international law courts in the Hague (Brussels) over a dispute that stretched back to the deposition of the Shah in 1979. The settlement in the International courts was also, undoubtedly, connected to the release of US hostages that the Iranians had.

The lack of a banking relationship between the USA and Iran meant that the sum was payed, in cash, and marks the alleviation of the most stringent international sanctions following Iran's cooperation in it's Nuclear project.

 

That is not how living in a democracy works, sorry. Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of a nation. If trump can't abide by that most basic of principles then he probably shouldn't be a citizen - indeed it's a crime to not pay tax. Everyone else pays, he isn't smart for not paying, he is just a common criminal. 

 

I don't see how the man, who is notoriously difficult, impatient and fickle, is the best person to lead the discussion about how to fix America's broken democracy. Just being rich is not a credential. 



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The settlement in the International courts was also, undoubtedly, connected to the release of US hostages that the Iranians had.

"We don't negotiate with terrorists we just give them what they want." - Snake 2016



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I'm sorry mate but Obama is actually probably the most successful president in American history
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There's many more posts to read!  

How about reading the justification for it. Nothing I've said has been an unsupported assertion. 



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The settlement in the International courts was also, undoubtedly, connected to the release of US hostages that the Iranians had.

"We don't negotiate with terrorists we just give them what they want." - Snake 2016

Actually the settlement that Iran was pushing for was 8b$, which was a figure that was in line with inflation + compensation for the 1979 deal. Far from giving Iran what they wanted, the US negotiators got an incredible deal for the US tax payer, and also secured the release of the US hostages that Iran held. 



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Actually the settlement that Iran was pushing for was 8b$, which was a figure that was in line with inflation + compensation for the 1979 deal. Far from giving Iran what they wanted, the US negotiators got an incredible deal for the US tax payer, and also secured the release of the US hostages that Iran held. 

Must have just been a coincidence that Iran released 4 captives the same day a deal from 1979 was settled.


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Must have just been a coincidence that Iran released 4 captives the same day a deal from 1979 was settled.

I already said that it was connected. How can it not be? America needs Iran to help deal with IS, it's just not possible for a president to say that because of the backlash it will bring.  



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touche Gov. Pence on your debate last night, job well done. touche



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@+Huge what has obama done for african americans lol

African Americans are a section of the population that, statistically, are incredibly disadvantaged in America. Uninsured rates are higher than in non ethnic minority communities, crime rates in black neighborhoods are higher, schools were dis-proportionally underfunded in black neighborhoods and there was a lack of strong community role models. Obama has enacted legislation to put in work to target each of these points, bar the last, which he does passively - he is an African American Commander in Chief. 

Increased spending on schooling for all Americans has lead to the improvement of underfunded schools in ethnic minority neighborhoods, directly benefiting African Americans. During Obama's presidency the violent crime rate in America has actually gone down, despite the increase in news coverage making it look like it has risen. (The rate of homicide in America is still way above the rest of the 1st world). Instances of police brutality, and gun crime are being put out into the open more, creating an environment where it is increasingly difficult to get away with these sort of acts. This environment happened on Obama's watch but may have more to do with state legislation rather than federal legislation. Something to look into, perhaps? 

Lastly is the point about the higher uninsured rates in across all ethnic minorities. With Obamacare, people who previously couldn't afford sky high healthcare premiums, are now able to afford healthcare. Given that this is a problem that dis-proportionally affects blacks in America, it is true that Obamacare can be said to have directly benefited the African American community. 

I believe these cover some of the major issues pertaining to African Americans, in America today. Another thing to explore would be the occurrences of black on black violence, however I believe that this is strongly tied up with education and thereby steady employment, community and family role models and endemic racism in parts of the US political system. One man, in eight years cannot erase that legacy of inequality. However, Obama has made a good crack at it. 

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